By Bernice Bessey
Although he looks brave with his well-built muscles as he sits behind the witness table before the Justice Emile Short Commission of Inquiry, little was it known that Hudu Seidu was in his fifth stage of confusion.
Mr Hudu, who happened to be a victim of the Ayawaso West Wuogon by-election violence, led the commission through his five levels of confusion he underwent on January 31, 2018.
Indeed, he told the Commission that his maelstrom of terrible confusions started from when he saw the security operatives, second, when they started firing warning shots, and third, the worst among them all, when he was assaulted.
The other two stages had to do with when he was giving his statement to the police, and appearing before the commission.
Mr Hude, who claims he can be scatty sometimes, said this when he was helped by Mr Patrick Acheampong, former Inspector General of Police (IGP), to establish his levels of confusions, last Thursday at the Christianburg Castle in Accra.
The witness, who is a member of the opposition National Democratic Congress (NDC), also said he went Ayawaso West Wuogon to distribute soft drinks, and made following revelations when being examined.
Lawyer for the commission, Eric Osei-Mensah, welcomed the witness.
Question (Q): Now, for the purposes of the records, repeat your full name to the Commission?
Witness: My name is Seidu Hudu.
Q: Which of one is your surname, Hudu or Seidu?
Q: Mr Hudu, what do you do by way of profession?
A: I’m a farmer.
Q: Where do you farm?
A: I was farming at Ashaiman, but now I am at Akuse.
Q: So currently, you are a farmer, is that the case?
A: Yes, my lord.
Q: What do you grow?
A: I grow ayoyo, cabbage and onions.
Q: Where do you live?
A: I live in Ashaiman
Q: Now, on the 31st of January 2019, were you anywhere in Ayawaso West Wuogon?
A: Yes, my lord.
Q: Take a look at this photograph and let the record reflect the fact that the witness is being shown a photograph of three men, one being Mr Theophilus Sedodzi, another person, and Mr Amadu.
A: My lord I can only identify myself as being the one in the singlet.
Q: Let the record reflect the fact that the witness has pointed to one man in singlet stained with blood, as he said. And, he said to be at the extreme right of the photograph. Now you have already informed the commission that you were in the Ayawaso West Wuogon Constituency on the 31st day of January, 2019. What took you there?
A: I went there with minerals to distribute to the people.
Q: In your capacity as who?
A: My lord, when there is an occasion or election or event of that nature, my Chairman will ask us to send pure water and minerals to the people. But that day, I went to farm and I came back a bit late, so the Chairman asked me to send some minerals to the grounds.
Q: Who is this Chairman of yours?
A: He is the Chairman for Ashaiman, Tony!
Q: He is a Chairman for which group?
A: Mr Tony is the NDC Chairman for Ashaiman
Q: At what time did you arrive in the constituency?
A: I arrived around 8:30 to 9:00.
Q: Did you arrive alone or you were in a group?
A: I went there alone.
Q: Did you also find yourself in the vicinity of the NDC parliamentary candidate’s house on the day?
A: On my way to the place I got lost, and I made a small boy to lead me to the parliamentary candidate’s house.
Q: So what time did you get to the parliamentary candidate’s house?
A: I got there between 8:00 to 9:00.
Q: Now, you said you were there to distribute water and drinks, am I right?
A: I went there with minerals.
Q: Did you carry these drinks with you?
A: My lord, I went there in a taxi with the small boy, who led me to the parliamentary candidate’s house
Q: And, what happened to the drinks?
A: My lord, on my arrival, I did not even remove the drinks when I saw that people were rushing to the place.
Q: Where was the taxi?
A: The taxi moved closer to the house of the parliamentary candidate, and some people helped the small boy, and they removed the minerals.
Q: So the minerals were removed from the taxi, is that the case?
A: My lord, they were removed.
Q: And sent to where?
A: They were sent to the parliamentary candidate’s house
Q: And, where were you at that time?
A: When I arrived, the people also came and they asked us to move away.
Q: Mr Hudu, what you are telling the commission is that, on your way to the constituency, you got lost and was directed by a small boy you were in a taxi with. And you got to a place where there was confusion, and this small boy still stayed and helped offload your drinks. Is that what you are saying?
A: When the small boy took me to the parliamentary candidate’s house, he left because that is his area.
Q: Now, look at this picture on the screen, you are the one?
A: My lord, yes I am the one.
Q: Have you ever worked for the National Security?
A: My lord, I am not in the National Security, but I do take care of somebody’s house, so that is the name they call me – Security Man-Security Man, but I’m not a National Security personnel.
Q: Watch the video with us?
Video is being played: Mr Hudu talking in a video to someone in the form of an interview:
[When they brought the vehicle, they arrested me, and when the other one came, they asked why are you still standing here…they hit me with a gun. About 20 people beat me up. When they beat you and you don’t fall down, they will arrest you. The other person was arrested… they hit me with a gun; so hard that I cannot even lift my hand. One person use a stick like hammer, black, to hit my head.]
[What is your name: My name is Hudu Seidu. What is your role in the NDC: I’m a member of the National Security. You know as a member of the national security…when we are asked to take a position or do something, you have no say. End of video.]
Q: Mr Hudu, did you hear yourself?
A: My lord, I heard myself
Q: And you admit that you were the one talking, am I right?
A: Yes, my lord. I am the one.
Q: Very well, in that video you heard yourself saying that you are a National Security or you did not?
A: Yes, my lord. I heard myself saying that I am a National Security.
Q: You also said in that video that you do what you are asked to do. Am I right?
A: My lord that is so, but it was about the minerals
Q: When the gentleman shouted “NDC National Security!” you responded to it without denial. Am I right?
A: My lord I did not answer.
Q: Do you want to see that part again?
A: My lord, that day I was beaten so mercilessly that they are mentioning security-security, my heart will beat. So it happened that when they say security-security, me too I responded security.
Q: Mr Hudu, do you know where this video was taken?
A: I don’t even know about this video, and I don’t know where it was taken. My mind was so hot that I was hearing them.
Q: You see, Mr Hudu, you swore to this commission to tell the truth and nothing but the truth. In the video you claimed that you are a National Security, and now you are saying you are a farmer who went there to distribute drinks. I’m suggesting to you that on the day, in your own admission, you were there on security duties, and not to distribute drinks, Mr Hudu?
A: My lord, I am not a security man. I was there to distribute minerals.
Q: Okay, Mr Hudu, when you arrived within the vicinity, would you describe the number of people you met there to the commission?
A: My Lord, in fact, I cannot tell you the exact number of people there, but there were people there and they were many.
Q: Can you give a rough estimation of the people you saw?
A: My lord, I was given a Koran to swear and I will not sit here and lie. I can sit here and give estimation of the number of people there.
Q: Now, on that day you were arrested by these men in black and brown, was that the case?
A: My lord that is so.
Q: Where were you arrested?
A: My lord, when I arrived there and the black T-shirts and brown trousers arrived and I saw them, I saw one chief pleading with them. I also followed and was pleading with them, that we are not here to fight, so they should not fight us.
Q: Who was not where to fight?
A: The people in the black T-shirts and brown trousers, on their arrival; when I saw them, I started pleading with them with one chief that we are not here to fight. So the people were going backwards and they started firing. That was when I run to another direction and met some police personnel.
Q: Before you go on, which people were going backwards?
A: When they came, our people were going backwards and they were also going backwards. We were telling our people to stop and them too.We were telling them that we are not here to fight and they were also stepping backwards. That was where they started the firing. That time the police arrived and I told them that they should plead with them that we are not here to fight, but to distribute food. So the police should talk to them.
Q: So what you are telling the commission is that in the course of the commotion, involving these black and brown men, the police arrived. Is that what you are saying?
A: When they arrived; what these people were holding! I was frightened that I was why I started pleading that we are not here to fight.
Q: What time did the police arrive?
A: My lord, that time I was confused, so I cannot tell the time that the police came.
Q: You want to put on record that definitely in the course of the commotion the police arrived, is that right?
A: My lord, what I’m saying is that when the people came and the confusion started, they left before the police came.
Q: At what point were you arrested?
A: My lord I was arrested on the park.
Q: After the commotion?
A: After the commotion that I was arrested.
Q: Let get this one clear, where you in front of the MP’s house, or anywhere near the MP’s house, when the masked men in black and brown uniform arrived?
A: My lord, I was in the house when the people in black and brown uniform arrived.
Q: You were inside the house or outside the house?
A: My lord outside the house.
Q: Now, are you able to tell the commission exactly what happened. When these men arrived?
A: My lord, that is what I have seen and I’m telling the commission.
Q: Mr Hudu, what did you see?
A: I arrived at the MP’s house with minerals, and the people also came around.
Q: Now, Mr Hudu, we know about the part that you arrived and the people arrived. We want to know the encounter between your people and the brown-black uniformed men. Will you be in a position to tell the commission?
A: I arrived there with the minerals, and the only thing I saw was that when the people arrived, and what they were holding, and we who were holding anything; the only thing I could do was say that my brother’s let’s plead with them. But the only thing I head was that move, move.
Q: So you and your brothers pleaded with them, am I right?
A: The chief was pleading with them to be patient, and I also added my voice that they should be patient and that they should not kill anybody here, and that we are not here to fight.
Q: And did they heed to your plea?
A: My lord, the people were coming from the school direction; there is a short wall there and they were coming towards the MP’s house, and they started… And, we were pleading that we are not here to fight and they should be patient with us. Before I could realise, there were gunshots.
Q: Now, before I could come to your gunshots, did the people ask you or anybody to lie down?
A: I was just there offloading the minerals when I saw the people advancing towards the MP’s house and when I saw them I started pleading.
Q: Did you witness any agitation over a key?
A: I only heard from the MP that they should have patience and that he will collect the key for them.
Q: Which MP are you talking about?
A: My lord, I am a stranger, they were just mentioning MP, MP. In actual fact, I don’t know that MP. Mine was that I came there to deliver the minerals.
Q: Did you see the MP?
A: My lord, the MP was standing in front of me and he was saying: “you people should exercise patience, I will collect the key for you.”
Q: Mr Hudu, you are there to distribute drinks, men in black and brown uniform come around and you still went ahead with the distribution of your drinks. You were pleading with them because you were not there to fight?
Mr Hudu, watch this video with me. Can you see the MP in this video (he pointed at Mr Sam George)? Let the records reflect that the witness pointed to Hon. Sam George as the MP who came around.
Q: Now, you told the commission about some gunshots, did you witness that too?
A: Yes, my lord they were shooting.
Q: Where were you?
A: Me, I had run and hid myself somewhere
Q: How many gunshots did you hear?
A: My lord, I cannot tell the number of shots.
Q: Did you or any other person apart from you sustain injuries?
A: My lord, it was at the police station that I met other injured persons.
Q: Now, are you able to tell the commission the injuries that you personally sustained that day?
A: My lord, the injuries that I sustained – I had some wounds on my head both sides and wounds on my back.
Q: Are you able to tell the commission how you got injured?
A: When I was at the place to share the minerals that I had those injuries.
Q: Now, my question is how you got injured?
A: My lord, I was chased and beaten up. My dress was torn, leaving only my singlet. So I was beaten up badly.
Q: Was it in front of the parliamentary candidate’s house?
A: My lord, no. It was on the park.
Q: If you say that you were chased. You were chased by who?
A: When I was with the police, some people came there and got hold of me and started beating me up.
Q: Watch this video with me? In case you spot yourself in the video let me know.
A: I’m inside there wearing a white T-shirt. [Because of the confusion he says he can’t identify himself, but surrounded an area that he could be there]
Q: Mr Hudu, you are very sure you are in that video, am I right?
A: That was the time we were pleading with them. I was there, but I cannot actually see myself in the video.
Q: So, according to you, what was happening in this video, you and the other people were pleading with members of the SWAT team, is that it?
A: Yes, my lord. We were pleading with them.
Q: Was this before or after the gunshots were heard?
A: I did not know about this video; we were there pleading with them.
Q: But you were able to tell the commission what was happening in the video, am I right?
A: Yes, my lord that is so.
Q: The question is not so much about the video, but what you have told the commission was happening within there. I’m asking whether, it was before or after you heard the shots?
A: It was after myself and my colleagues pleaded with them that the shooting took place.
Q: Now, you told the commission that you were at some point arrested and sent to a police station, am I right?
A: Yes, my lord.
Q: Which police station were you sent to?
A: I was sent to East Legon Police Station.
Q: And, at the police station you were issued with a medical form, am I right?
A: Yes, my lord.
Q: Are you able to tell the commission how long you were at the police station before you were issued with a medical form?
A: It was about an hour.
Q: Did you go to the hospital with the form?
A: My lord, I was sent to the hospital and I was treated and discharged. I had my medical form returned to the police.
Q: Which hospital?
A: Legon hospital.
Lawyer: Thank you Mr Hudu. Mr Chairman, your witness.
Professor Henrietta Mensah-Bonsu takes over from Lawyer Eric Mensah.
Prof Mensah-Bonsu: Thank you Mr Hudu and few questions for you if you do not mind?
A: My lord, I’m ready for your questions.
Q: Can you repeat when you said you arrived at the park with the boy in a taxi?
A: That is exactly what I said
Q: What did you say?
A: What I said was that faithful day, I got lost while trying to locate the MP’s house and met this small boy and he led me to the house of the MP, and the boy left me there.
Q: And about what time was this?
A: It was about 8:00 to 9:00 that way.
Q: So when you wrote in your police statement that you arrived there at 6:30am, it was a lie?
A: A lot of us went to Ayawaso West Wuogon; somebody went there at 6:00, others at 7:00, but myself, I got there between 8:00 and 9:00.
Q: The injury you took to the hospital, it was supposed to have occurred at 8:30 am. So at 8:30 am had you arrived at the place, according to your evidence?
A: My lord, I got there between 8:00 and 9:00 thereabouts. If we were many and the police decide to use somebody’s time for me, as for me I got there between 8:30 to 9:00.
Q: He said he was carrying minerals to the place?
Q: How many bottles?
A: Eight bottles.
Q: In what container did he carry the eight bottles?
A: My lord, the minerals go with rubber. The minerals that I bought were in packs, and it was eight packs that I took to the MP’s house.
Q: He bought them himself?
A: Yes, I bought them.
Q: How many bottles are in each pack?
A: My lord, I have not counted the number of bottles.
Q: So why did you buy eight?
A: That was what I could contribute.
Q: So how much did buy a pack for?
A: I bought the minerals but I mixed them, some were for GH¢70 and others GH¢50.
Q: So when he got to the park and there was a commotion, the taxi driver turned, and is that all you said, because it does not seem you recall all that you said?
A: My lord, I arrived there in the taxi; the minerals were removed by some ladies in the house before I saw the people advancing towards the house, and the taxi also left.
Q: So you saw the people advancing in a vehicle or on foot?
A: They came in a vehicle, and they came off from the vehicle
Q: What was the length of time between when you got there, the minerals were removed and these people came?
A: When I arrived with the taxi and they were removing the minerals; and it was just between that 8:00 and 9:00 that I arrived that they also arrived with their vehicle.
Q: At the police station where your statement was taken, did you get the medical form before they took you statement, or you gave your statement after you had returned the medical form?
A: My lord, when I have received the medical form and I went for treatment, and it was just after the treatment that they took my statement.
Q: That same day?
A: That same day.
Q: So you couldn’t have written things you don’t remember?
A: My lord, the way we were beaten up, it was very difficult for me to say, I can recollect all that I had told the police. I was mercilessly beaten.
Q: But, when you went to see the doctor and told him what had happened?
A: My lord that is so. When I got to the hospital, I told the doctor I was beaten mercilessly. I told him, specifically that, doctor, my heart is paining me; I don’t know whether there is blood there or not. That I was what I told the doctor.
Q: Why did you tell the doctor you were beaten?
A: My lord, for me, I sometimes forget things, but I told the doctor that some people beat me up at the voting area.
Q: Did you tell the doctor that you have been hit with a butt of a gun?
A: That is so. I told the doctor that they use the back of the gun to hit my head and it was even stitched.
Q: Did you tell the doctor that you were acting as a polling agent when you were attacked at the by-election?
A: My lord I was not asked that question.
Q: How soon after going to the hospital did you give the police the statement?
A: My lord, after the treatment they took my statement in the evening.
Q: So when you wrote in the police statement that you were hit on the head with a hammer, it was a lie?
A: I told the police that the people were holding something like hammer and they used it on me.
Q: Earlier in the day, you had told the doctor that it was a butt of a gun, so you lied to the doctor?
A: My lord, it was not one cut but three.
Q: So which one did you tell the doctor to treat?
A: My lord, beating is beating. For me, I all I know is that they have beaten me, so that is what I told the doctor.
Q: Now, I’m not so sure you were beaten?
A: The people came on me, one was standing with a gun, and the other was also holding something like a stick.
Q: And, who was holding the hammer?
A: I cannot identify them.
Q: Mr Hudu, you said when the men in that vehicles; men in khaki arrived, they wanted to take away your motorbike and you resisted? On which part of the taxi was the motorbike carried?
A: I was on a motorbike to the place and I got lost. It was on the main road that I met the small boy and he took me to the MP’s house.
Q: So you rode in the taxi with this small boy and delivered the minerals, and went back and came back with a motorbike, because you couldn’t have been on the two vehicles at the same time?
A: That faithful day I got lost so I went Dzorwulu and I was told that I was lost.
Q: By what means of transportation did you go there?
A: I went there with a motorbike and got lost. So they directed me to Ayawaso Wuogon. When I got to the station, I could not find my way, and that was where I met this small boy and he said he can lead me to the MP’s house. It was there that I hired a taxi and bought the minerals. The boy escorted me to the MP’s house. I bought the minerals at the station.
Q: So, on which part of the taxi was the motorbike carried?
A: I followed the taxi with my motorbike.
Q: So you were an escort rider to the taxi?
A: That is so.
Q: Then you are a rich man?
A: My lord, I am not rich, but I have what to eat.
Q: Oh! If he can hire a taxi for eight packs of soft drinks, you don’t even know the number and picked a strange boy and put him on the taxi, and you…did you ride in front of the taxi or behind the taxi?
A: The vehicle was in front and I was following.
Q: So you were at the house when the people arrived?
A: Yes, I was there when they arrived.
Q: And, when they wanted to take your motorbike you resisted?
A: They did not make any attempt at taking my motorbike. When they arrived, I was there in front of the MP’s house. When they saw the motorbike they just passed.
Q: But why did you write in you police statement that they wanted to take my motorbike away but I resisted?
A: My lord, what I’m saying is that, I was holding the motorbike, one of them held the steer but I pushed it somewhere.
Q: But I thought you said they came by and ignored and walked past the motorbike. So at what point did they hold the motorbike?
A: My lord, what I was saying is that at the point that I arrived with the minerals, the people also came and they wanted to collect the motorbike, and I told them… and they passed.
Q: So none of them held the handle of the motorbike?
A: Nobody touched the motorbike, and when they left nobody returned to me again.
Q: What was he pleading with the people about?
A: My lord, I was pleading with them because of what they were holding. When I saw them and what they were holding, I started pleading with them.
Q: What was the substance of the plea?
A: When they arrived they told me that we should move, move. It on that basis that I started pleading with them that we are not here to fight. I was pleading with them that they should please leave and go away.
Q: Mr Hudu, you said that not long after the people came, they started pelting you with stones?
A: My lord, we were many when they were taking our statements, I can’t recollect saying that. If they have taken somebody else’s statement and given it to me, I cannot tell.
Q: Before you were beaten, somebody identified you as you were part of them?
A: That is true. Somebody identified me.
A: He is a policeman.
Q: So the police came before you were beaten?
A: I was even with them when I was beaten.
Q: You were with the police?
A: Yes, my lord. I was with the police.
Q: Mr Hudu, I can tell you speak a bit of English. You are denying everything, including the English that you have just spoken.
A: I am struggling with the language. I have never been to Class ‘1’. It’s just crew; crew English that I am struggling with.
Q: You come from somewhere in the Upper East Region?
A: Yes, my lord. I am from Agrutimpani
Q: What language do you speak?
A: I speak Busanga
Q: So you are Bisa?
A: Yes, my lord. I am Bisa.
Q: You are Bisa; you speak Busanga, twi and Hausa, and you speak a bit of English. You are a very intelligent man, Mr Hudu?
A: My lord, wherever I found myself I try to learn the language
Q: I can see that, but your testimony doesn’t give your intelligence credit. Because if you are denying everything you put in the police statement, it is worthless.
Witness’ Counsel intercedes: Very respectfully my lord, I will object to that line of questioning. The witness at the time of this statement was confused and was completely traumatised, and my lord, if we knew that this statement was going to be in evidence, we would have told him that he needed to refresh on this statement before he comes.
I believe that, I would have done him lots of good. Right now, it looks completely like an ambush, and to use that as the basis to question his intelligence and all that, my lord, with the greatest respect, I will seek to object to my lord’s line of questioning.
Prof Mensah-Bonsu responds: I wasn’t questioning, I was only commenting. You seem to have a good propensity for languages.
Counsel: My lord, then the objection is to the comments, with the greatest of respect.
Prof mensah-Bonsu: Oh! You are objecting to the compliment I paid him?
Counsel: My lord, with the greatest respect, we don’t see it as a compliment. My lord, I believe that it has something to do with his credibility obviously. That is why I said, we are objecting.
Particularly, when this statement has not been tendered in ways that we will have the opportunity to even look at it and have a conference with him on those matters. So, my lord, with the greatest of greatest of respect.
Prof Mensah-Bonsu: Counsel, I understand.
Counsel: I am most grateful my lord.
Mr Patrick Acheampong takes his turn: Mr Hudu, have you got a good memory?
A: My lord, sure, I have a good memory.
Q: Do you remember the things that happened before you were beaten?
A: Based on the arrival of the people; when they were saying move, move, I was not beaten at that time but I was beaten at the park.
Q: I was asking you questions on the period before the beating?
A: My lord I can’t remember.
Q: If you are asked to locate the area where you bought the minerals with an investigator, will you remember?
A: My lord, I can show the police where I bought the minerals.
Q: Do you remember other motorbikes in the house when you arrived?
A: I did not see any other motorbike apart from my motorbike.
Q: How about the pickups. You did not see any pickups there?
A: There were lot of cars there, and moreover, the MP’s house is close to a fitting shop. So, I cannot actually tell the number of vehicles there.
Q: You are bringing things; do you know other people who also brought things?
A: My lord, I got there with my taxi and minerals, the only person I saw was the first witness who just left. He was there with a pickup. He was the only person I saw with a pickup.
Q: This picture, I want you to confirmed whether the gate there at the other side, the brownish looking gate, is that Mr Brempong’s house or the opposite one in white, is that Mr Brempong’s house?
A: My lord, I was confused when I arrived there. I don’t even know the colour of the house, I don’t know any other object colour there. Because when I saw the people, I was so confused because I have never seen such people before.
Q: In front of Mr Brempong’s house?
A: Yes, they were in front of Mr Brempong’s house.
Q: When you arrived and you saw the people, you were confused?
A: My lord, when I arrived and saw them, I was confused.
Q: How many were they?
A: I cannot tell the number of people that came there. My lord, that day I was so confused to the extent that if my mother was to come there, I will not even recognise her.
Q: Oh, is he not the one who was trying to show us…?
A: My lord, there were multiples of same dress that I was wearing there, but I was just trying to pinpoint myself, and it was difficult for me.
Q: The area between the two houses…Mr Brempong’s house is here, isn’t it?
A: My lord, I didn’t even see anything. I can’t even remember anything, because, on my arrival I saw these people and I became confused.
Q: Oh! Even before you were beaten?
A: I was confused even before I got beaten.
Q: The beating increased the confusion [witness: walahi].
A: My lord that is so.
Q: Did he hear any gunshots in his confusion?
A: My lord, on my arrival, when they also arrived and I saw them I started pleading. When they were moving backwards, then I heard the gunshots. That was where I got confused and I started pleading and pleading.
Q: Pleading for what?
A: When I saw them with those weapons I became frightened and I told them that we are not here to fight. So, when I saw them with those weapons, I became frightened and pleaded.
Q: Just a simple question. I asked whether that day, in all his confusion and the pleading…did you hear any gunshots?
A: My lord, when they arrived and I started pleading, they were going backwards in the motion then they started firing.
Counsel: Mr Chairman, I want to confer briefly with the client.
Mr Acheampong: I hope you don’t confuse him the more.
A: My lord, I have never committed any crime before; to even appear before a chief’s palace, and not to talk of a police station. So, where I found myself today, my lord, I am even confused.
Q: Now let us establish the levels of confusions. [To the translator: Is he satisfied with your translation? My lord, am okay with that. Is he sure? So far there is no confusion with your translation again? My lord, he says he agrees with everything, but it was just at the beginning that he talked about a motorbike that I missed.]
So the first confusion was when he appeared and saw so many people?
A: Yes my lord.
Q: His second stage of confusion was when there was a lot of firing?
A: That is so my lord.
Q: His third stage of confusion was the time they were beating him left and right?
A: My lord that is the most confused stage.
Q: The fourth stage is the period when you were giving your statement to the police?
A: My lord that is so. Even when I was to go home, I told them that they have to take me home because, if not, I will get lost.
Q: The last stage, or the fifth stage of confusion, is today. Since you have never appeared before such gathering before, he is also confused?
A: My lord, that is so. For me, leaving my farm and seeing myself here…hmm, I am more confused than I have ever been.
Q: So in all your confusions, did you see those who were firing?
A: My lord I can’t identify anybody.